Retribution Paladin pre-raid gear list 4.0.6

This is the set I would go for pre-raid based on the gear list.  This set will see you 2 points off the hit cap (with hit gems in blue slots).  You will need to reforge to meet the expertise cap.  Its a bit of a change from items you may have gone for beforehand, due to the changes in 4.0.6.  You could add one other epic item to this list the Valor Points boots are BoE and probably

Head – Stonemason’s Helm (Heroic Deadmines)
Neck – Gift of Nadun (Ramkahen – Exalted)
Shoulder – Pauldron’s of the High Requiem (1650 Justice Points)
Back – Geordan’s Cloak (Heroic Lost City of Tolv’ir)
Chest – Elementium Deathplate (Blacksmithing)
Wrist – Alpha Bracers (Heroic Halls of Origination)
Hands – Reaping Gauntlets (1650 Justice Points)
Waist – Belt of the Ferocious Wolf (Guardian’s of Hyjal – Exalted)
Legs – Greaves of Gallantry (2200 Justice Points)
Feet* – Greaves of Wu the Elder (Heroic Lost City of Tolv’ir)
Rings – Nova Band (Heroic Halls of Origination) and Circle of Bone (Heroic Grim Batol)
Weapon – Foe Reaper (Heroic Deadmines)
Relic – Weapon of the Brotherhood’s End (Heroic Deadmines)

*If you are Drenai replace Greaves of Wu the Elder with Waywatcher’s Boots from Wildhammer – Revered.

So what do you need to get this gear?

Heroic Deadmines (3 items)
Heroic Lost City of Tol’vir (2 items)
Heroic Halls of Origination (2 items)
Heroic Grim Batol (1 item)

Ramkahen – Exalted (do all the quests in Uldum and then use the tabard – there are two dailies you can use to give a bit of a boost)
Guardian’s of Hyjal – Exalted (do all the quests in Mount Hyjal taking you to Revered and then use the tabard – there are no dailies)

5500 Justice Points

100 Elementium Ore
20 Volatile Earth
36 Pyrium Ore
60 Volatile Fire
60 Volatile Air
60 Volatile Water
3 Chaos Orbs (the crafter will have these, and if thats not you then you’ll need a big chunk o’ gold instead)

I’ll post separately about trinkets when I’ve done the numbers, but I am going to guess that as of 4.0.6 you might want Baradin’s Wardens reputation and marks …

Cataclysm Gearing for Ret Palas – Head

Cataclysm is a few days away and its all about the GEARZ.  What to get, where to go, etc.

I’ve pieced together what I can based on MMO-Champion and Wowhead.  Also Redcape has released his latest spreadsheet and I’ve drawn on the default Seal of Truth scores:

Strength 2.07
Hit 1.55 until capped and 0 after cap
Expertise 1.13 until capped and negligible after cap
Critical strike rating 0.80
Haste rating 0.79
Mastery rating 0.41
Weapon speed 1102.65
Weapon DPS 7.27

The jumps above are fairly large.  Mostly we gear for strength, then for Hit and Expertise until capped, then Crit and Haste before Mastery.

Please note that all of this is highly provisional.  Item stats and scores might well change – a lot.  But this should get you started at least.

And so on with the show!

Head
Gearing for the Head slot is a bit different to any of the other slots because of the relative value of the meta gem.  A meta gem slot is worth 50-67% of the scores assigned to a head.  Therefore its likely to be the item you hang on to the longest of your old gear.  As long as you have at least the ilevel 251 tier helm then you can ignore anything without a meta gem slot in Cataclysm.

This means your first possible upgrade is the Redsteel Helm at level 83.  This is a Blacksmithing BoE item.  I wouldn’t spend a huge amount on this though, as it will only last two levels and doesn’t score that much higher than the previous tier items.  The only exception to this is for Engineers who can get the Reinforced Bio-Optic Killshades at level 81 and with 525 Engineering (you need 525 for both the item and the Cogwheels).

As you hit 85 you want to run Heroic Deadmines for the Stonemason’s Helm.  This is the best pre-raid Head item.

Action plan so far:

  • 15 Elementium Bars + a friendly blacksmith or cash (83-85 Head)
  • Heroic Deadmines – Vanessa VanCleef (Pre-raid Head)

4.0.1 Ret paladin action plan

Its been a busy few weeks.  I got my Glory of the ICC Raider (10) last week and we’re working on getting some more drakes.  Lots of questions remain now that we’re facing patch 4.0.1 but heres what I intend to do.  I’ve tried to keep this as short as possible so if I missed things ask away.  Where I say something remains unchanged refer to the 3.3 Raider’s Crib Sheet.  I will reproduce the gear list for 4.0.1 shortly.  It will be in a new pdf format (making it faster to set up and keep up to date, and allowing for a site redesign).

This is not based on my own theorycrafting, but on reading all the information out there and trying to merge it into a plan.

The Basics

  • Paladins have a new resource called ‘Holy Power’ as well as mana.  Holy Power stacks up to three times and several spells, old and new, make use of it.
  • Ret palas have several new abilities you will be able to access.  Importantly, Templar’s Verdict, which is a hard hitting melee attack using Holy Power and Zealotry, which will make Crusader Strike generate more Holy Power for a short time.
  • Massive amounts of the game have changed, as with any patch, so I suggest reading the patch notes and MMO Champion or another new site.

Build
I’m going for 3/2/31.

Three points (the two in Selfless Healer and the one I dropped into Long Arm of the Law) are completely optional and based on personal preference.  Technically, so are the points in Rebuke and Repentance, but those seem more obvious.

My Glyph choices are there too.  I don’t know which Prime Glyphs will be best, but I’m dropping Glyph of Truth (expertise) since I’ll be able to Reforge to the expertise cap.  CS is our major ability so that one is an obvious Prime.  Between the Primes relating to TV, Exorcism and Judgement I just don’t know.  Since you can learn them all and swap them in and out I’ll be getting four Primes and experimenting.

Major Glyphs are all about resources for Ret and should definitely be changed dependent on the circumstances.  I think Ascetic Crusader will always be good, but otherwise it depends – are you cc’ing something, are you using your AoE?  Swap your Majors depending what you need.

Minors are all dull.  I use LoH a lot so I’ve chosen that.  Apart from that I chose the two PvE Seal Minors for cheap Seal switching.

Stats
This is where the theorycrafting gets a bit complex.  Cap hit and expertise.  After this, your strongest stat is Strength.  Then it gets confusing.  Haste is, all other things being equal, a slightly better stat than crit.  However, all other things are not equal and under current conditions latency can make crit the better option (a key part of the effectiveness of haste is the reduction in the CS cooldown – theres no point stacking haste for a 3 second CS when your latency means you only get to use it every 3.3 seconds).  However, Blizzard has made some major changes to spell queueing and latency very late on and the impact of these isn’t clear yet.

For our purposes, assume haste and crit are pretty even.

Mastery is rubbish.

Agility is now bad.  Make sure you change out Agility based items.

You can use Reforging to ensure you make the hit and expertise caps.  You might also want to use gems to ensure you get two blues in there somewhere (hit will be a blue gem) so you can use your Chaotic Skyflare Diamond again.   I plan to keep my Nightmare Tear, drop in a Hit gem and then reforge any excess hit.  Apart from that I won’t touch my stats at this point.  Things will become clearer after a couple of weeks.

Gems & Enchants
I have no intention of regemming beyond getting in CSD.  I think what I was doing before 4.0.1 will still be optimal. If its not, I will regem once its clear its not, not experimentally when 4.0.1 hits.

Enchants should be fine.

Rotation
(This section is already out of date due to buffs since it was written – please read https://morrighan13.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/retribution-in-the-new-world-order-one-week-after-4-0-1/ for the latest version.)

The basic rotation is simple: CS > Filler > CS > Filler > CS > Finisher

Finishers are those abilities using Holy Power:

  • Templar’s Verdict (Single target)
  • Divine Storm (Multi target)

Filler’s (in order) are:

  • Exorcism
  • Judgement
  • Hammer of Wrath
  • Holy Wrath
  • Consecration

Ret palas will spout lightning in Cataclysm

Take a look here to see it in glorious purple.

But for anyone on a reader heres the text:

Darkmoon Card: Hurricane
+321 Strength
Equip: Chance to strike your melee target with lightning for 5000 Nature damage.

Yes thats right.  You remember that trinket you always took for fun?  This time it has enough strength on it to justify it.  Ret palas will spout bolts of lightning in Cataclysm.  I hope the graphic is good.

Retribution Gear List 3.3. ed. > Hands

Welcome back to the Retribution Gear List.  Its back with a new format!  You can find the consolidated 3.3 gear list here.  There are new stats for 3.3 based on a revised Redcape Spreadsheet.

Rank Hands Source ilevel Score Hit score
1 Fleshrending Gauntlets (Heroic) Festergut 25 (Heroic) 277 547.26 547.26
2 Fleshrending Gauntlets Festergut 25 264 489.49 489.49
3 Gatecrasher’s Gauntlets 60 Emblems of Frost 264 475.64 475.64
4 Gloves of Bitter Reprisal (H) Anub’arak 25 (Heroic) 258 453.32 453.32
5 Sanctified Lightsworn Gauntlets (Heroic) Tier 10.3 token 277 445.08 628.76
6 Festering Fingerguards (Heroic) Festergut 10 (Heroic) 264 420.6 599.8
7 Sanctified Lightsworn Gauntlets Tier 10.2 token 264 396.76 558.04
8 Throatrender Handguards (Heroic) Queen Lanathel 10 (Heroic) 264 395.64 574.84
9 Gloves of Bitter Reprisal Anub’arak 25 245 386.95 386.95
10 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Gauntlets of Triumph (Heroic) Tier 9.3 trophy 258 377.84 530.16
11 Festering Fingerguards Festergut 10 251 377.04 536.08
12 Gauntlets of Rising Anger (H) Northrend Beasts 10 (Heroic) 245 365.92 466.72
13 Lightsworn Gauntlets 60 Emblems of Frost 251 355.72 496.84
14 Throatrender Handguards Queen Lanathel 10 251 355.59 514.63
15 Conqueror’s Aegis Gauntlets Emalon the Storm Watcher 25/Mimiron 25 226 348.72 348.72

Also of note:

17 Weeping Gauntlets Brohnjahm (Heroic) 232 334.22 334.22
22 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Gauntlets of Conquest 30 Emblems of Triumph 232 302.16 418.64
23 Plated Grips of Korth’azz ICC trash 5 219 296.86 296.86

Commentary

Heres another case where you have to look at the hit score.  The tier 10 gloves are the only tier piece with hit on them and are in fact very good once you account for that.  I would recommend going for these.  Also remember that hands can be obtained from Vault of Archavon and make sure to run there each week.  Hands are also amongst the cheaper pieces of both tier 9 and tier 10 for non-raiders.

Retribution Gear List 3.3 ed. > Wrists

Welcome back to the Retribution Gear List.  Its back with a new format!  You can find the consolidated 3.3 gear list here.  There are new stats for 3.3 based on a revised Redcape Spreadsheet.

Rank Wrists Source ilevel Score Hit score
1 Boneshatter Armplates (H) Northrend Beasts 25 (Heroic) 258 361.28 361.28
2 Taiga Bindings (Heroic) Valithra 10 (Heroic) 264 357.92 357.92
3 Polar Bear Claw Bracers (Heroic) Gunship 25 (Heroic) 277 340 474.4
4 Taiga Bindings Valithra 10 251 317.97 317.97
5 Boneshatter Armplates Northrend Beasts 25 245 305.44 305.44
6 Polar Bear Claw Bracers Gunship 25 264 304.2 420.68
7 Titanium Spikeguards Blacksmithing 245 291.14 291.14
8 Armbands of Bedlam Mimiron 25 (Heroic) 239 289.44 289.44
9 Armguards of the Nether Lord (H) Jaraxus 10 (Heroic) 245 287.58 287.58
10 Bitter Cold Armguards Hodir 10 (Heroic) 226 248.98 248.98
11 Armguards of the Nether Lord Jaraxus 10 232 241.08 241.08

Also of note:

13 Wristbands of the Sentinel Huntress 60 Emblems of Valor 213 225.28 225.28
14 Vambraces of Unholy Command The Black Knight (Heroic) 219 211.46 211.46
15 Malykriss Vambraces Garfrost (Heroic) 232 207.24 308.04

Commentary

Wrists are again a bit of a sore point. After a rash of good options in 3.2, I’m very disappointed with the 3.3. options.  The Polar Claw Bracers are my personal choice – coming from a relatively easy boss they should be accessible to most raiders (the first four ICC 25 bosses are considered puggable on my server).  I am choosing to go with the hit option here, as the others are a bit lacklustre.

Pre-raid I recommend finding someone to craft you a set of Titanium Spikeguards.  The mats are relatively cheap.

Retribution Gear List 3.3 ed. > Chest

Welcome back to the Retribution Gear List.  Its back with a new format!  You can find the consolidated 3.3 gear list here.  There are new stats for 3.3 based on a revised Redcape Spreadsheet.

Rank Chest Source ilevel Score Hit score
1 Sanctified Lightsworn Battleplate (Heroic) Tier 10.3 token 277 728.14 728.14
2 Blade-Scored Carapace (Heroic) Saurfang 10 (Heroic) 264 673.56 673.56
3 Sanctified Lightsworn Battleplate Tier 10.2 token 264 648.24 648.24
4 Castle Breaker’s Battleplate 95 Emblems of Frost 264 647.52 647.52
5 Gendarme’s Cuirass (Heroic) Marrowgar 25 (Heroic) 277 632.04 869.48
6 Blade-Scored Carapace Saurfang 10 251 604.2 604.2
7 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Battleplate of Triumph (Heroic) Tier 9.3 trophy 258 592.86 592.86
8 Lightsworn Battleplate 95 Emblems of Frost 251 578.88 578.88
9 Gendarme’s Cuirass Marrowgar 25 264 566.84 772.92
10 Chestplate of the Frostborn Hero (H) Faction Champions 25 (Heroic) 258 551.82 744.46
11 Titanium Razorplate Blacksmithing 245 547.66 547.66
12 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Battleplate of Triumph Tier 9.2 trophy + 75 Emblems of Triumph 245 529.98 529.98
13 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Battleplate of Conquest 50 Emblems of Triumph 232 473.16 473.16
14 Steelbreaker’s Embrace Iron Council 25 226 466.28 466.28
15 Chestplate of the Frostborn Hero Faction Champions 25 245 459.66 625.42

Also of note:

16 Frost Wyrm Ribcage Tyranus (Heroic) 232 454.62 454.62
25 Lost Reliquary Chestguard Devourer 219 323.4 489.16
26 Breastplate of the Imperial Joust Confessor/Eadric 200 309.4 416.92

Commentary

For me this will be where I use a non-set item.  Despite the Armor Pen on the Castle-Breaker’s Battleplate its still a good option for 10 man raiders (I have a scoring system and it includes a value for ArP – where that value is good, its good – I’m not going to refuse to use ArP just for fun).  Hopefully I will replace this with the Heroic version of the Blade Scored Carapace I am currently using.  I thought, for a long time, about the Gendarme’s Cuirass which is very easy to obtain with a lot of hit, but I could not find good items to replace some of the other hit pieces I had chosen.

Pre-raid I would tend towards using this slot for a set item, as the 75 badge head is a good alternative to a set piece.  There is a crafted chest at the previous tier, but again it is ArP based and this time there is a better alternative available.

Retribution Gear List 3.3. ed. > Neck

You can find the consolidated 3.3 gear list here.  There are new stats for 3.3 based on a revised Redcape Spreadsheet.

Neck

Rank Neck Source ilevel Score Hit score
1 Lana’thel’s Chain of Flgellation (Heroic) Lanathel 25 (Heroic) 277 420.68
2 Infected Choker (Heroic) Putricide 10 (Heroic) 264 377.08
3 Sindragosa’s Cruel Claw (Heroic) Sindragosa 25 (Heroic) 277 372.86
4 Collar of Haughty Disdain (Heroic) Queen Lanathel 10 (Heroic) 264 357.97
5 Lana’thel’s Chain of Flgellation Lanathel 25 264 354.65
6 Rimetooth Pendant (Heroic) Sindragosa 10 (Heroic) 264 344.22
7 Ahn’kahar Onyx Neckguard (Heroic) Deathwhisper 25 (Heroic) 277 340 474.4
8 Infected Choker Putricide 10 251 335.84
9 Sindragosa’s Cruel Claw Sindragosa 25 264 332.1
10 Charge of the Demon Lord (Heroic) Jaraxxus 25 (Heroic) 258 329.47
11 Collar of Haughty Disdain Queen Lanathel 10 251 319.07
12

13

Wodin’s Lucky Necklace

Ahn’kahar Onyx Neckguard

ICC trash 25

Deathwhisper 25

264

264

306.54

304.2

391.66

420.68

14 Collar of Ceaseless Torment (Heroic) Northrend Beasts 10 (Heroic) 245 299.02
15 Rimetooth Pendant Sindragosa 10 251 298.35
16 Precious’s Putrid Collar (Heroic) Festergut 10 (Heroic) 264 294.51 433.39
17 The Executioner’s Malice (Heroic) Twin Valkyrs 25 (Heroic) 258 288.48 398.24
18 Pendulum of Infinity General Vezax 25 (Heroic) 239 280.65
19 Charge of the Demon Lord Jaraxxus 25 245 275.52
20 Precious’s Putrid Collar Festergut 10 251 262.51 385.71

Also of note:

22 Barbed Ymirheim Choker Garfrost (Heroic) 232 250.55
23 Favour of the Dragon Queen Sapphiron 25 + Malygos 25 226 250.17
24 Collar of Ceaseless Torment Northrend Beasts 10 232 242.37
29 Sparkling Onyxia Tooth Pendant Onyxia Quest Reward 245 223 330.52
30 Ancient Pendant of Arathor Confessor/Eadric (Heroic) 219 221.75
31 Painfully Sharp Choker Tyranus 219 216.42
42 Spiked Battleguard Choker 16 Emblems of Conquest 226 174.36 275.16

Commentary:

There are lots of necks available at this time.  Although strength based necks are generally best in slot, you should always consider non-strength based ones.  Especially at intermediate levels and especially when juggling the hit cap.

Lana’thel’s Chain of Flagellation is a good option from 25 man, as is the Infected Choker from 10 man (though its expertise based, so you need to think about this in terms of your expertise cap.  The Ahn’kahar Onyx Neckguard and Wodin’s Lucky Necklace provide solid hit based options.  Wodin’s Lucky Necklace can drop from both 10 and 25 man trash (I’ve seen it) and can drop from the weekly quest reward bag in ICC.

If you don’t raid, the Barbed Ymirheim Choker is available from Heroic Pit of Saron, or the Painfully Sharp Choker from Normal Pit of Saron.  To help you reach the hit cap, the Spiked Battleguard Choker is still worth considering.

Updated 24 February 2010.

Retribution Paladin Gear List 3.3 ed. > Head

You can find the consolidated 3.3 gear list here.  There are new stats for 3.3 based on a revised Redcape Spreadsheet.

Head

Rank Head Source ilevel Score Hit score
1 Sanctified Lightsworn Helmet (Heroic) Tier 10.3 token 277 845.20
2 Sanctified Lightsworn Helmet Tier 10.2 token 264 765.30
3 Landsoul’s Horned Greathelm (Heroic) Blood Princes 25 (Heroic) 277 733.90 971.34
4 Deathspeaker Zealot’s Helm (Heroic) Deathwhisper 10 (Heroic) 264 733.25
5 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Helm of Triumph (Heroic) Tier 9.3 trophy 258 729.60
6 Lightsworn Helmet 95 Emblems of Frost 251 695.94
7 Deathspeaker Zealot’s Helm Deathwhisper 10 251 691.46
8 Judgement Hood Onyxia 25 245 678.62
9 Faceplate of the Silver Champion (Heroic) Faction Champions 10 (Heroic) 245 678.16
10 Landsoul’s Horned Greathelm Blood Princes 25 264 668.70 874.78
11 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Helm of Triumph Tier 9.2 trophy + 75 Emblems of Triumph 245 664.32
12 Helm of Thunderous Rampage 75 Emblems of Triumph 245 647.04
13 Judgement Helm Onyxia 10 232 621.34
14 Faceplate of the Silver Champion Faction Champions 10 232 619.34
15 Turalyon’s/Liadrin’s Helm of Conquest 50 Emblems of Triumph 232 605.50

Also of note:

22 Helm of the Violent Fray The Black Knight 200 506.50
23 Skeleton Lord’s Cranium Tyranus 219 505.74 649.10

Commentary:

For those raiding 10 or 25 man content, the tier head is an excellent option here and a good place to spend 95 badges.  In 25 man Landsoul’s Horned Greathelm is worth a look for the hit.  It scores well even before considering the hit and could be a useful way of reaching the cap, which is a little harder in 3.3 as there is less hit available on tier gear.

For non-raiders I would recommend the Helm of Thunderous Rampage and that the head is your non-set piece of choice.

When you first find yourself venturing into dungeons, there are two reasonable heads in the ‘also of note’ section which drop from Normal instances.

Updated 24 February 2010.

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